How to Break Free from the Mental Prisons That Hold You Back with Dr. Edith Eger

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Edith Eger 00:00:00  We got to think about our thinking and pay attention what we’re paying attention to, because any behavior you pay attention to, you reinforce that behavior.

Chris Forbes 00:00:18  Welcome to the one you feed. Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the importance of the thoughts. We have quotes like garbage in, garbage out or you are what you think ring true. And yet for many of us, our thoughts don’t strengthen or empower us. We tend toward negativity, self-pity, jealousy, or fear. We see what we don’t have instead of what we do. We think things that hold us back and dampen our spirit. But it’s not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their Good, wolf.

Eric Zimmer 00:01:03  I think most of us believe that if our circumstances were different, we’d feel more free. But what Edith Eger makes clear in this conversation is that freedom doesn’t work that way.

Eric Zimmer 00:01:13  Edith, who passed away recently, survived Auschwitz and like fellow concentration camp survivor Viktor Frankl, she arrived at the conclusion that even when everything is taken from you, there’s still one place where you have a say and that’s your inner world. In this conversation, we talk about the prisons we build in our own minds victimhood, guilt, judgment, secrets, and how easy it is to live inside them without realizing it. And we also talk about how to begin to step out. I’m Eric Zimmer, and this is the one you feed. Hello, doctor Eger, welcome to the show.

Edith Eger 00:01:48  Hello.

Eric Zimmer 00:01:49  I am really honored to have you on today, and it is such a treat to get a chance to talk with you. Thank you. In a moment we’re going to talk about your book called The Gift. But before we do that, there’s a parable we read at the beginning of the show, and I’d like to ask you for your thoughts on it. In life, there are two wolves inside of us that are always at battle.

Eric Zimmer 00:02:09  One is a good wolf, which represents things like kindness and bravery and love, and the other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed and hatred and fear. And the wolf that wins is the one that we feed. So I’d like to start off by asking you what that parable means to you and your life. And in the work that you do.

Edith Eger 00:02:30  The work I do is practical psychology. And those two are really fitting me beautifully, because what we think we create and what we want to recognize, that what we pay attention to, we have to be careful and study our thinking and what we’re paying attention to because when we have a goal, we want to be sure that what we focus on and pay attention to will be in alignment to get us closer to the goal. So I like to call it the arrow that I follow, and to find always the way I think and find a gift in everything. But then I also look at things in terms of is it rational or irrational? Is this going to empower me for five minutes and then I pay a whole price for it all my life? Like if I go cheat on my wife.

Edith Eger 00:03:45  Okay. Because it’s not the sex it’s I’m dishonoring my wife. So I think we got to think about our thinking and pay attention what we’re paying attention to, because any behavior you pay attention to, you reinforce that behavior.

Eric Zimmer 00:04:04  Yeah.

Edith Eger 00:04:04  So it’s a wonderful, wonderful way for us to start. It’s a beautiful way to start. And it’s very important to think about your thinking before you say anything and possibly ask yourself, is it kind? Is it very important that 93 I’m very, very much thinking before I open my mouth and I want to say something, hopefully that is kind and it is necessary.

Eric Zimmer 00:04:37  Thank you. That’s a beautiful way to start. So I think in order to frame up your life and your work, we need to sort of go back to your origin story, which is not a very pleasant one. Right? You are a Holocaust survivor, and whatever amount of that you feel like you want to share, that would be useful for the audience. I don’t want to spend a ton of time there, because I really want to focus on the amazing work you’ve done in creating your approach that you’re calling practical psychology.

Eric Zimmer 00:05:07  I want to spend a lot of time there, but I do feel like it’s important to give listeners a little backstory. So I’ll leave it to you how much you want to talk about there, and then we’ll move into your work and your psychology.

Edith Eger 00:05:18  Good. That’s good. What I am talking to you about is that you told me I’m a Holocaust survivor, and I’m going to tell you that it’s not my identity. I am a human being who went through an experience. I refuse to be a victim. It’s not who I am is what was done to me. And I think that’s a big difference, because in some ways in history, we are all victims of victims. So that’s why when I ask a child, why do you do that? A child would say, because I feel like it. Children don’t care about consequences, right? As an adult, I still feel like it, but I don’t act upon it unless it is in my best interest. So, you know, you are brilliantly putting that wolf story beautifully.

Edith Eger 00:06:20  So important because it’s not. What happens is the way we look at it. When I go to church, who is the little Jewish boy, I talk about Jesus. Jesus and Jesus told us three things that I relate to. Love thy neighbor as thyself. What that prophet is telling us that you cannot give what you don’t have. If you don’t love you, you know, how can you love others? Everything. You start with you. You’re born alone. You die alone. There is something between birth and death. Called life. Do you live a lifestyle or a that style? If I live a lifestyle, I feed myself. Give it good things. All right. I’m not going to have a donut for breakfast with Coke. And so that’s why I asked people to be good parents to themselves. I think you’re saving the world with your world. You may not think it, but you want to teach from me that if you wait for someone else to make you happy, you’re never going to be happy.

Edith Eger 00:07:32  And in Auschwitz, nothing was coming from the outside. So it was an opportunity for discovering the inner strength that I could put me in a gas chamber any minute. Just like now. We don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow. It’s a very hard place to be in a the limbo. But then I am also very much aware as to short term hedonism or long term hedonism. So when you ask, as I told you as a child, the child doesn’t care. Even if I have diabetes, it doesn’t matter if I like the Hungarian chocolate cake, I’m going to eat. And that voice is in me on my life because it’s called temptation. And God gave us temptation. Why? So I can practice the freedom of choice. As an adult, I still feel like it, but it’s up to me whether I act upon it or not. See, I had a woman calling me 5:00 in the morning, a southern girl. She called herself a southern beauty and she’s crying. Eddie, I am in this guy’s bed.

Edith Eger 00:08:51  I went to the bar And I picked up this guy, and, I mean, it’s bad. You know, it wasn’t me. I very quietly said, who was it? You know, the devil got into me, she tells me in a southern accent. So freedom comes with responsibility. Freedom without responsibilities. Anarchy. And that’s why I beg. Don’t spoil your children. Because they were the first one to die. It’s very important for you to listen to your self dialogue early in the morning. So when I go to church, I listen to that. The secondly, what I really admire that he was able to meet people where they are. And that’s why I never ask people, how are you? Those are social noises and people lie. If you ask a question, How are you? Fine. I was just saying in my formal interview that I was teaching. I was professor of psychology, and my student said that in America, people are hearing, but they’re not listening. And I said, okay, let’s test it.

Edith Eger 00:10:10  Tomorrow morning when you pick up your book, someone is going to say hi to you. And very quietly, you see, my mother died this morning. Sure enough, he comes back, said, I did what you told me, and I told him to say my mother died this morning and he said, great, I’ll see you this afternoon. People are hearing, but they’re not listening. I think it’s very important for you to listen to that voice. But most of all, I think what is most important that Jesus said, turn the other cheek. And he didn’t say, go back and do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. You know, which is the definition of insanity by Einstein. Thank God that little Jew came to America and changed World War two. So I think when he said turn the other cheek, he said, look at the same thing from a different perspective. See, you and I are good ophthalmologists. We look at everything for an opportunity for discovery, not recovery.

Edith Eger 00:11:32  And that’s how I talk about Auschwitz and the discovery of my inner resources, and not to allow anybody to get my soul. They could throw me in a gas chamber any minute. I didn’t know whether I take a shower, whether water or gas is going to come out, I don’t know, 4:00 in the morning when I stood in line, they were counting and I didn’t know where I end up in a gas chamber or not. And this is where we are now with the Covid. We don’t know. We know that. We don’t know really. We don’t have any guarantee. We don’t have any certainty. I think we have probability. Yeah. Which one I feed because all people who come to me are hungry. They either have something what they don’t want or they want something what they don’t have. People are hungry. That’s why diagnosis hungry for affection, hungry for attention, hungry for approval. You got to give up your need for approval of others. If you want to be free, you got to give up the need to please anyone all the time.

Edith Eger 00:12:48  And most of all, you give up being a perfectionist. When you are a perfectionist. You procrastinate.

Eric Zimmer 00:12:59  So let’s talk a little bit about your book, The Gift. In it you talk about a bunch of different prisons. So you’re using the analogy obviously of you said it earlier, the Nazis could put you in prison, but they couldn’t take away your freedom. And you talk about a lot of the prisons that we put ourselves in. I thought maybe we’d just go through and explore a few of the different ones that you have. And I thought we’d start with the first one. You sort of touched on it a little bit, but you call it the prison of victimhood. And you say suffering is universal, but victimhood is optional. And then you also have a question that is so good. You say, ask what now? Instead of why me?

Edith Eger 00:13:42  That’s right. And unfortunately, I talk about the prison in our own minds And it reminds me that I graduated cum laude, and I was told to pick up my cap and gown and meet the people at this and this and this place.

Edith Eger 00:14:02  And I never showed up for my graduation because I told myself I don’t deserve because they are dead. That’s the prison that I created in my own mind and didn’t even give myself permission. That’s a good word to really go and celebrate that I worked so hard. You know, I never finished high school. I begged the university to take me in on probation in January, and I made the deals list, and I forgot about me. And I worked so hard because I didn’t speak English where? And I put things down in Hungarian a lot of the times, and the basketball players who were taught also came to me because I sat in the first row, so I can see the professors through it. They wanted my notes and I told them, it’s Hungarian. You see. You have to want to badly enough. You have to want to be a survivor. You have to want to recognize that life is difficult. There is no guarantee. There is no certainty of any kind. Marriage is the hardest thing you enter into to empower each other with your differences.

Edith Eger 00:15:37  Rather than waiting with an empty cup. Somebody to fill my cup and make me happy. It’s not working that way. Self-love is self-care. It’s not narcissistic. It takes adults to get married. I beg young people to stay at school and don’t mess with your brain. Don’t smoke pot because it interferes with the natural growth of your brain. That takes 25 years. So don’t kill your wonderful brain cells and become a good parent to you. So I preach a little bit because, you know, I’m 93 years old. I’ve been there, done that. And it’s very important to revisit the places where we’ve been. And that’s the work I do. I hold your precious hand and we go, go back to your bedroom. When you were a little boy, and I remember I had a nine year old boy who had a dog, and the dog died, and the boy died. With that, just about emotionally. Didn’t know what to do. So he cried and he cried. And father came in and yelled at the boy, we don’t cry in this family, and grabbed the boy and took him to a pet shop and bought a new puppy.

Edith Eger 00:17:10  And he said to me, Doctor Eger, I’m 56 years old and I have yet to shed a tear since I’m nine years old. See, what comes out to our body doesn’t make us ill. Crying is good. It’s healthy. When you have a broken heart, you grieve. You cry. But in many families, especially the white Anglo-Saxon Protestant family, you have to control yourself. You’re so controlled, you’re splitting at the seams. Be a little hungry and scream it out. You got to have rage before you move into forgiveness.

Eric Zimmer 00:18:22  You say that the opposite of depression is expression.

Edith Eger 00:18:26  That’s your name. So share your secret. Share your secret. What comes out of your body doesn’t make you ill. You either vent anger, suppress anger. I like you to dissolve the anger.

Eric Zimmer 00:18:41  Talk to me about how you dissolve the anger without venting the anger.

Edith Eger 00:18:45  And Recognizing that anger is not a primary emotion. That is very, very, very true because I studied that. When I’m angry, I give my power away.

Edith Eger 00:19:00  I ask people to reclaim your powers. You’re angry because you expected more and you’re getting less. It’s really very important what you’re expecting. So what I’m really talking about a lot of the times is the name rejection. So somebody maybe like you, I come to you and I tell you, I would like you to get to know me. Me, Eddie, not doctor Ego. And you tell me that it’s a very nice offer. And thank you. I’m not interested. So the best four letter word is risk. And I asked you and I didn’t get it what I want, but I was not rejected because rejection is just the English word that people make up to express a feeling when you don’t get what you want. So give up the drama. One time a young person told me he rejected me. No. No one can reject you. So get rid of that word for sure. No one has any power to reject you. But you just wanted something and you didn’t get it. And that’s what life is suffering.

Edith Eger 00:20:25  And when you suffer. Take it from me. You become stronger. So who do you feed?

Eric Zimmer 00:20:32  Before we dive back into the conversation, let me ask you something. What’s one thing that has been holding you back lately? You know that it’s there. You’ve tried to push past it, but somehow it keeps getting in the way. You’re not alone in this. And I’ve identified six major saboteurs of self-control things like autopilot behavior, self-doubt, emotional escapism that quietly derail our best intentions. But here’s the good news you can outsmart them. And I’ve put together a free guide to help you spot these hidden obstacles and give you simple, actionable strategies that you can use to regain control. Download the free guide now at oneyoufeed.net/ebook and take the first step towards getting back on track. 

Another of the prisons that you talk about. We touched on this just a little bit here, but I want to hit it, which is the prison of secrets. I love this and hungry. We have an expression. If you sit with one butt on two chairs, you become half ass.

Edith Eger 00:21:35  That’s Hungarian singing in Hungarian. It’s sounds funny. If you’re Jewish, you say you can’t go to two weddings with one behind. You know, and you cannot dance within two weddings. Many, many ways. How do you split yourself? How do I split myself? That I’m working, loving and playing while I’m talking to you? I’m cooking a Hungarian dinner for tonight. My children are here. It’s called the sacred goulash. It’s about me, then. Sauerkraut and sour cream. A lot of caraway is a lot of paprika. And you said we don’t mashed potatoes. So I am dividing myself. And you know what? I will never retire. I’m better now than I was years ago. If I don’t know anything, I tell you. And maybe we can look it up together. But I want to be the true me, not the image of me. And that’s what we call the ego. the false self.

Eric Zimmer 00:22:44  You say that honesty starts with learning to tell the truth to yourself.

Edith Eger 00:22:49  You look in the mirror in the morning and just say I’m one of a kind. Look at Gandhi. Took one person to bring down the whole British Empire without ever shedding a blood. I lectured in that museum of Gandhi in Johannesburg, South Africa. I felt so, so wonderful to talk to people. These people were called the white people. The Young Presidents organization, they have a lot of money, and they spend it on building all kinds of schools for the children, building homes for families. They are really, truly my heroes. The young president organization. I was so beautifully, beautifully treated. You see, they don’t give you money for what you do, but they treat you so that I traveled with an airline called Virgin Airlines. Have you ever been on Virgin Airlines first class?

Eric Zimmer 00:24:05  I have not been on it. I know what it is.

Edith Eger 00:24:08  They give you pajamas. They put you to bed in San Diego. And then I woke up in London. Fabulous, fabulous fabulous treatment. I was treated beautifully. And I was able to travel practically all over the world. And even today, I am hoping that I can guide people to transcend their ego needs and I recognized that Auschwitz was an opportunity to discover that life is from inside out and not to wait.

Edith Eger 00:24:51  People who were waiting for someone to come and liberate them, they didn’t make it. All we had was each other then, and all we have is each other now. So when I danced for Doctor Mengele, I closed my eyes and I imagined that the music was Tchaikovsky. And I was dancing to Romeo and Juliet at the Budapest Opera. And today, when a woman tells me I was sexually touched. And I don’t know how to tell you either, because you were in Auschwitz and I said you were more in prison than I was because I knew the enemy. So if you have a secret. Share it. If you come to see me, you’re going to have to go to the 12 step because there were two drunk going to Carl Jung in Switzerland. And Carl Jung said alcoholism is a spiritual issue, not psychotherapy. So I sent people to the 12 step so they could be grown ups so they could live a life of an adult. That freedom comes with responsibility.

Eric Zimmer 00:26:10  Yeah, well, it saved my life.

Eric Zimmer 00:26:11  And one of the things we used to say in 12 step programs all the time is you’re only as sick as your secrets.

Edith Eger 00:26:17  And you’re stinking thinking. Yes. Lovely, lovely words that I like to use about how you go to a meeting and recognize that all you have to do is sit there, and then they trigger things in you that you ran away from because you medicated your feelings. Your medicated, your grieve. You don’t drink when you’re happy. You think you are happy. You want to be happy. But then you become a false you. You tell them that you are some kind of a king’s son. And then you get sober. And then you think, oh my God, I. I feel so little. They call it a shame attack. Yeah, I feel it. And you fluctuate from helplessness to grandiosity.

Eric Zimmer 00:27:15  Yes. Yes. That does appear to be a big part of it.

Edith Eger 00:27:19  You became now the one who does his calling. This is your calling. And the alcoholism, the gift that you were able to turn tragedy into this kind of an opportunity.

Edith Eger 00:27:36  Now that you can tell people this is not the best you can do.

Eric Zimmer 00:28:09  Let’s talk about another of your prisons. You talk about the prison of guilt and shame. I’d like to talk about what is the way out of that prison.

Edith Eger 00:28:20  I can only tell you what I lived. Anything I tell you, I lived it. First of all, my parents wanted a son after two girls and I came along. So I came into a very talented family. My sister and Magda played the piano. My sister Klara played the violin. And many people didn’t even know I existed. I would say I’m Clara’s sister. I didn’t know I didn’t have my identity, but my mother looked at me one day and said, I’m glad you have brains because you have no looks. I think it’s very important for the people to see what you carry in you. It’s kind of like Shakespeare. They put you somewhere and then you give a game and they. What happens? That I took care of a military family and I just came back from Germany.

Edith Eger 00:29:23  And so they had these little dolls in the living room. And so when I came in, the mother introduced me to the children. This is the shy one. This is my giggly one. This is my son, the doctor. And so we sit down to share the giggles, giggling and I tell the shy one because I was painfully shy. I said, you have such a beautiful profile. And mother kicked me under the table and said, don’t tell her that she’ll be conceited. So you know right away in this family you don’t get positive reinforcement. And that’s why, you know, many times your mother may tell you you’re a very handsome boy, but you’re fat and but you’re pimply and you forget about before the what’s happened. So I tell people, give me the bottle and I give you an end. Yes and yes. And so the little two year old was nagging on mother, and she was washing dishes, and she was telling the little boy that she’s busy, but the little boy is two years old.

Edith Eger 00:30:40  I want and I want it now. That’s what children want wanted easy and want it now. And so the little boy stopped. I watched that little boy thinking, clicking the clicker. They click and goes to the living room and just about touching one of those dolls, and mother comes in, grabs the boy, picks up the boy and said, didn’t I tell you not to touch them? You see, what do you pay attention to? Just like which one? Which will. And you know, yeah, he got picked up one way or another. And that’s what children do. They go to a most elegant restaurant and you may sell to your mother. If you don’t give me this now, then I’m going to say the effort. You immediately don’t want to be seen as some kind of a bad parent. So we look at the firstborn child. Usually are the responsible ones. Most of our Nobel Prize winners are either only children or first born children. Middle children are like peacemakers. Like Kissinger, they want everybody to get along.

Edith Eger 00:32:06  I guess that’s what you are very good at. But young people in a family we call charming manipulators. And I was one of those charming manipulators. If I wanted money, I asked money from my father when he was playing billiards, and he wanted to look very generous in front of him. I couldn’t do that with my mother. Very different It is fancy. So which one are you teaching people to be a survivor and not a victim of anything or anyone? No one can put you down but you. No one can reject you but you. You have as much power over other people as you give them permission. Allow them. And that’s why I ask people to reclaim their innocence. And for that, I had to go back to Auschwitz and go back to that lion’s den and go back and look at that lion in her face and go back there and reclaim my innocence and begin to forgive myself that I survived. That’s the hardest thing to forgive you. And that’s why I didn’t show up for my graduation when I graduated with honors.

Edith Eger 00:33:34  So you see, we can be our own worst enemies. And hopefully you can recognize that children don’t do what we say. They do what they see. So the best thing, again, for children is a happy marriage. I hope you are in a happy marriage.

Eric Zimmer 00:33:55  I am with a partner and I am very happy. Yes. She and I are very happy.

Edith Eger 00:34:00  I’m very happy that you’re a good role, mother. Also to others. The way you treat your children. Want to know how you treat their mother? Yeah. And you are a good role model to the children.

Speaker 4 00:34:15  Let’s talk about.

Eric Zimmer 00:34:16  The prison of judgment. You tell a pretty powerful story in the book about in the early 80s, you’re doing court appointed therapy and a 14 year old boy comes to you. Do you want to tell that story?

Edith Eger 00:34:30  I think what comes up for me is the 14 year old young boy who was part of the white supremacy group. He was part of a group called David Koresh in Texas. He ended up being bombed by the government, but he came to my office and he told me he’s a good boy in Texas.

Edith Eger 00:34:55  And I acknowledged his boots even though I know nothing about boots. And then he got up and he’d put his elbow on my desk and said, hey, doc, it’s time for America to be white again, and I’m going to kill all the Jews and order using the N-word and all the chinks and all the Mexicans. Now there is a difference between reacting or responding. If I would have reacted, I would have dragged that boy the corner, I would have stepped on him and I would say, who do you think you’re talking to? I was in Auschwitz. My parents died in a gas chamber, but I. I live by the idea that somehow I was in Auschwitz. And here is this young boy coming to me. And I operate on the idea that people don’t come to me. They’re sent to me like you are. So I went to God, as I did in Auschwitz, and I said to God all that. And God said to me, find the bigot in you. And I told God, no, no, no, no, no, I am not a bigot at all.

Edith Eger 00:36:25  I came to America in 1949 and I worked in a factory. it’s called the sweatshop. I got $0.07 per dozen cutting of boxer shorts, and I became the breadwinner because my late husband ended up in a TB hospital. He died of TB, too. Came back. But when I went to the bathroom, I saw a sign colored. Imagine after Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. I come to America to find democracy. So love is not what you feel, it’s what you do. I gather the women of color. I ask them to take me to a meeting. And guess what? In 1963, you may find myself among all those people with Martin Luther King singing We Shall Overcome. You’re too young to understand that, right? 1963. June or July, I don’t know, but I know it was summer. It was very hot. So. So when someone is not going as well as you want to. I ask people to say to themselves, I don’t like it. It’s inconvenient and it’s temporary and I can survive it.

Edith Eger 00:37:59  Don’t say what? Say. And because everything is temporary. I’m going to be very happy in my death. But I know, I know because I live life to the fullest every day. I finish everything on my plate. Take me out to lunch and believe me, I’m going to eat up everything on that plate. And if you leave something on your plate, I’m going to either eat it or take it home with me. It pains me to throw away. So Auschwitz was an opportunity to really discover that inner strength that I could throw me in a gas chamber any minute. I had no power over that. They would beat me, torture me, and never, ever touch my spirit. So that’s what I bring to you. That spiritual freedom that no matter what you tell me in the English language, when you’re angry, I’m gonna hear the word you. You are stupid. You know that’s what bullies do in school. You are whatever they call you. And all you say to yourself. The longer they talk, the more relaxed I become.

Edith Eger 00:39:22  You take the negative stimuli, immediately turn it into positive, and you say, I’m Practicing my low frustration tolerance level. That’s a 50 cent word from psychology that I cannot change the stimulus, but I’m sure not allowing to murder my spirit ever. So you don’t make me angry when you hear somebody tell you, all you have to do is just change it to I. I make me angry because your behavior is unacceptable. Miami. So I went went back to that boy. And I created the environment that you create, that people can feel any feeling without the fear of being judged. And I looked at him as lovingly as I could. You know, I can kill you with my eyes and I can love you with my eyes. And I said three words. Tell me more. Please tell me more. He never knew a thing about my past, and that’s my experience that I was remembering when I saw at the capital the people who were the white supremacist and wearing a shirt. 6 million was not enough.

Edith Eger 00:40:47  How do you think I feel? But I don’t let fear rule my life. But, you know, people trigger things in you. I watched the movie the other night. It’s called The Miracle Worker. It’s the life of Helen Keller. She’s deaf, blind. And then one time when they have dinner, after months and months and working with this child, Helen Keller was taking a picture and going out with the teacher. And as she was getting the water the first time. She began to talk and she said, water. It took like ten minutes at least. Water. And what triggered in me that when I was liberated, I didn’t know how to write. And I remembered practicing a capital G for hours and hours. C when we were liberated, people would go through the gate, but then they would come back and sit down. Talks about the positive psychology. We were free, what we didn’t know. And he called it learned helplessness. And that’s very, very true. I did not know how to write, especially the capital G.

Edith Eger 00:42:13  So you were guiding people now that maybe something is going to trigger that you have not finished. And you go got to go back and relive that experience and you go through the valley of the shadow of death. Don’t get stuck in there. Because when you’re constipated, you concentrate on a movement. So that’s why my daughter called it Eddie ism. Are you reviving or are you evolving? So be like a butterfly and shed that chrysalis so you can fly freely like a butterfly.

Eric Zimmer 00:42:53  Before we wrap up, I want you to think about this. Have you ever ended the day feeling like your choices didn’t quite match the person you wanted to be? Maybe it was autopilot mode or self-doubt that made it harder to stick to your goals. And that’s exactly why I created The Six Saboteurs of Self-control. It’s a free guide to help you recognize the hidden patterns that hold you back and give you simple, effective strategies to break through them. If you’re ready to take back control and start making lasting changes. Download your copy now.

Eric Zimmer 00:43:27  At once you book. Let’s make those shifts happen starting today. When you feed net book. I think that is a great place for us to wrap up. Thank you so, so much for coming on and sharing so much of your wisdom and kindness and love with us. It’s been a real honor for me.

Edith Eger 00:43:49  God bless.

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