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In This Interview, Johann Hari and I Discuss…
- His new book, Lost Connections: Uncovering the Real Causes of Depression and the Unexpected Solutions
- The two kinds of human connection
- Intrinsic (internal) and extrinsic (external) motivations
- “Junk” values
- The more you’re driven by extrinsic values, the more likely you’ll suffer from anxiety and depression in your life
- Our society drives us to live in this extrinsic way
- The whole point of advertising is to make us feel inadequate and our problems can be solved by buying
- Extrinsic motives can crowd out the more fulfilling intrinsic motives
- The 9 causes of depression and anxiety
- The need to look more holistically at anxiety and depression than just a chemical imbalance
- That the book is NOT saying not to take medications that help with anxiety and depression
- The loneliest culture that has ever been
- The importance of addressing the deep environmental factors/reasons why we’re so depressed and anxious
- Our sense of home and sense of belonging
- The problems manifested by being isolated and alone
- The benefit of being part of a “tribe”
- Realizing that you’re not the only one who struggles and feels the way you do
- Grief and the diagnosis of depression
- Just having a chemical imbalance means your pain doesn’t have meaning
- Depression and not having your needs met
- Following the pain to its source
- Pathologizing Depression
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A grandfather is talking with his grandson and he says there are two wolves inside of us which are always at war with each other.
One of them is a good wolf which represents things like kindness, bravery and love. The other is a bad wolf, which represents things like greed, hatred and fear.
The grandson stops and thinks about it for a second then he looks up at his grandfather and says, “Grandfather, which one wins?”
The grandfather quietly replies, the one you feed
The Tale of Two Wolves is often attributed to the Cherokee indians but there seems to be no real proof of this. It has also been attributed to evangelical preacher Billy Graham and Irish Playwright George Bernard Shaw. It appears no one knows for sure but this does not diminish the power of the parable.
This parable goes by many names including:
The Tale of Two Wolves
The Parable of the Two Wolves
Two Wolves
Which Wolf Do You Feed
Which Wolf are You Feeding
Which Wolf Will You Feed
It also often features different animals, mainly two dogs
Marsha Shandur says
I just listened to this and *absolutely loved it. Fascinating, moving, inspiring. Thank you!!
Eric Zimmer says
Thanks Marsha…